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Post by Taconis » Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:04 pm

Greetings Fellow Neutrals:

I was pointed to this site in hopes to shed some light about the history of towers, Notum Wars, sides, our org, etal. Before I begin, I wish to acknowledge the accomplishments of AO Froobs. This group of individuals have truly brought together the ones that most paid account holders have forgotten, the free account players. For this I am eternally grateful.

This will be a semi-long post, but I hope by posting I can shed some light and state where WB stands in the Notum Wars. As you know, WB has been a true neutral organization since its inception a little over 6 years ago. WB has, throughout its history, made friends from both sided factions. This in turn helped retain neutrality as a third faction (not intended to take an org's name here) in the game. Both sides have helped WB in all aspects of the game, to include the Notum Wars.

Two years ago, as normal attrition would have it, many of the organization leaders from all sides left the game. This also caused a bunch of people (at that time called hot-heads) in various organizations to jump ship and go into more aggressive organizations led by new blood. During this time, both omni and clan sides became very active in attacking neutral tower sites because we were weak and could not defend. Why? Because we were unorganized, ill equiped, and not trained in tower fighting. Also, omni pulled a coup on RK2 and basically cleaned house on towers. The clans wanted to try and do the same on RK1. Thus, the Neutral Defense Initiative was born. The NDI is made up of the leaders of the long standing neutral organizations. Through the NDI we've participated and brought about more RP events and the neutral story line. We also built partnerships to assist in the defending of towers. The NDI is still active. Many may not see it, but we are constantly working on keeping neutrality in the game as well as defending sites.

Keeping with WB tradition, our participation in the NDI is strictly defensive in posture. We will, when we have folks on that can and want to participate, defend all established neutral organization tower sites. I say this because you don't have to participate in tower wars if you are a member of WB if you do not want to. Some times, PvP and Notum Wars are just not your cup of tea. Wolf Brigade has built a high reputation amongst all as being one of the last true vestiges of neutrality in game. We support both sides, we ignore both sides, and we war with both sides as we deem necessary for our organization. The great thing is, both of the sides recognize this and have given WB a wide bearth.

Trust me, it takes a lot of hard work behind the scenes to maintain this stance and to promote neutrality. I've spent the last six years of gaming in AO building and maintaining the neutral stance in the game. Wolf Brigade will war as retaliation against our sites and those sites of NDI members IF requested to take back a site or to stop constant harrassment. Our organization WILL NOT defend any neutral organization's towers that is either clan or omni backed. What I mean by this is where sides have infiltrated an organization and use that neutral organization to attack only one faction. We will also not go to the aid of defending neutral organizations that attack towers just to attack towers.

Within this last year, many Notum War neutral organizations have been formed. Some of those newer organizations include 3F, A-Team, The Defiant, Hired Thugs, etc. Unfortunately, WB sees a lot of infiltration of these orgs by the sides. This is clearly obvious by the flat out attacks of neutral orgs against one side, which lately has been clan. Wolf Brigade does not condone or support such actions. Slow growth expansion and defending is one thing; flat out attacking one side is another. These recent attacks have caught the eye of the PvP/NW clan organizations. They, the clans, want to stop this, so they are becoming very aggressive against the neutrals? Why? Because yet again, neutrals are not focused, ill prepared, ill equiped, ill trained in PvP/NW, and are easy pluckings for the clans. As a high ranking Forsaken individual told me yesterday, "you cannot plant a tower field unless told you can."

Wolf Brigade's Broken Shores (CoH) site was attacked simply because of two reasons. One, the hot heads in the clans want to resume taking all notum sites on RK1. To be honest it was easy pickings because as WB is slowly growing we still do not have adequate defenders on 24/7 to have protected the site. We had relied on many others to assist in defending it time and time again. The second reason why we were attacked is because of my actions. Over two years ago I was at CoH and saw an empty tower field. So, as any wise person would do, I placed a CT on it. Now some clans say this was Mocker's site since Notum Wars came out. Actually, the site was owned by omni before it was stripped and I planted. A few old Mockers and some RP types wanted to see our BS tower site back in Mocker's control. Funny how those that used the Mocker story allowed another clan to place a lot of towers there.

This again goes back to the philosophy of both sides that we neutrals, cannot do anything unless it is strictly given to us with permission. This, I and my organization will not tolerate. We are here. We've been here since the creation of the game. We will be here for many years to come. Nobody has a right to tell another what they are allowed or not allowed to do. If we all cannot cooperate to achieve common goals, then truly Anarchy Online is a fit name for the atmosphere of the game. Wolf Brigade has nothing against omni or clan. Our stance is let them their thing as long as it doesn't impact our organization or affect maintaining and slowly expanding neutrality in the game. But when one side does, we will react on many fronts.

Lastly, I want to list the agreements WB has in place (as listed on our forums)...

A Non-Aggression Pact dictates that we will avoid attacking their members (except in BS battles) or towers. Defense against them when assisting other neutral orgs is dicey and you should consult the President or General first.

Treaties - People to mind your manners around
Anarchists of Destruction (clan) - Non-Aggression Pact
Aethyr Knights (clan) - Non-Aggression Pact
Alpha (Clan) - Non-Aggression Pact

Black List - Do not help these people
Newcomers Alliance (omni) - Harbors Scammers
Slovak Union (Neutral) - Omni Pocket org made to cause trouble.
Striking Fear (Clan) - Constantly uses our tower sites for PvP as well as their members gank

To date, every organization that we've made a pact with has held. There was no official pact between WB and EQ. Those were personal, one-on-ones that lasted for years between myself and a few EQ folk. Why do we not have non-aggression packs with Omni organizations? Well, none have asked to form such pacts. In the last four years, Omni has not seen neutrality (minus RP/Borealis) a threat. Relationships have been built over the years because of what can only be called sided bigotry. When one sides ostricizes the neutrals, it is only natural that if the other opens their doors, bonds will be made. This, unfortunately, has perpetuated the belief that all neutral orgs stand with omni; which definitely is not true.

If you have any questions, please feel free to give me a /tell in game. I am and always will be a pusher for neutrality in the game and will defend it as best I can.

Very Respectfully,

Hari "Taconis" Seldon
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Post by itninja » Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:42 pm

Black List - Do not help these people
Newcomers Alliance (omni) - Harbors Scammers
As far as I know, NA has never had any beef with WB . . . "Harbors Scammers" ?

Seriously? I'm sorry, but if you have had an issue with any of our members you should let us know, not come on the forums and disrespect an Org that others would consider to have a good reputation.

To be in the same grouping as Striking Fear makes me sick to my stomach . . .
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Post by plugsz » Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:46 pm

Taconis wrote:Newcomers Alliance (omni) - Harbors Scammers
Tell me
who!
when!
and where!

IF, and I mean IF, someone from NA scammed you,I will PERSONALLY deal with that if you provide proof, otherwise keep my org off your lips/fingertips. You've been running WB for a lil over a month, doesn't make you the one to tell others how to treat the world.

You have not earned the right to even THINK of sullying my org's name. There is a reason NA is a welcomed and reverred presence on RK1 with a reputation surpassed by very few if any in assisting Omni froobs.

you got issues with NA, you come to me, ME DIRECTLY. The entire community here and abroad knows this.

Matter of fact, you should go any ANY org prez that you chose to recommend for a blacklist to discuss your issues. thats what being a org prez is about.

Calling them out without providing proof shows me what little you know of running an organization

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Post by Kurse » Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:00 pm

Taconis wrote:Black List - Do not help these people
Newcomers Alliance (omni) - Harbors Scammers
You came here, from nowhere, and dare insult us front of all our friend froob.

And you say being "Very Respectfully".

this is unbelievable. :angry4:
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Post by Tobias » Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:07 pm

Furthermore....why are you throwing in one line about us harboring scammers amongst our orgmates in a thread about tower wars.

It seems off topic and slanderous at best. Every one of our recruits gets informed of our organization rules. Scamming anyone outside of org or inside is not allowed regardless of faction. If we learn of something like this happening swift action is taken.

Your otherwise informative and interesting post lost any credit it would have had with me with that line about Newcomers Alliance, comparing it to my last year of membership with them.

If an acquaintance of yours did have some negative interaction with one of our members, this is certainly not the way to go about resolving it.

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Post by Anvilbreaker » Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:57 pm

I'd like to know where you get "Harbors Scammers" from, we disaprove of any form of this, and the ONE incident we had, which was quite some time ago (half a year at least). And as soon as we found out about the person he was immediatly kicked from org and petitioned. I dont see where you can get harbors scammers, when we dispise them.
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Post by Illuzionist » Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:49 pm

Who in NA has scammed someone? please tell me as I have no knowledge of this what so ever. That is the quickest highway to /org kick in our org.
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Post by Saavick » Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:11 pm

You've been running WB for a lil over a month, doesn't make you the one to tell others how to treat the world.
I fully agree with Plugsz here. Wolf Brigade is a respected org and I have quite a few friends from there, it's probably the most active org in froob200 after Newcomers Alliance and the members I know less good have always been helpful and kind. With the president making comments like this though, you sure lose credibility. I mean you personally, not your org since my image of WB won't change so fast even if they get a so called hot-head as president.

I do hope it's based on some old gossip and that you will correct your name calling. The rest of the post was informative and made a lot of sense, but this one sentence is insulting and as far as I can tell as general in NA, a lie.
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Post by Lostu » Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:24 pm

Black List - Do not help these people
Newcomers Alliance (omni) - Harbors Scammers
Half of the people in here are from NA, and if I remember correctly this is very old note. I was having one of my breaks when it got there, and I think Plugz was afk then too. When I saw it I was amazed and then forgot it.

Too bad this ruins Tacs attemt to build bridges. It is off topic and should not be dealt like this, NA does not deserve to be on this list. I must apologize for NAers and Tocanis for not sorting this out in time.

Me fail, again :(.

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Post by Weeping Willow » Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:26 pm

/puts MOD hat on ...

accusing someone / org about scam with or without "proof" is not welcome in AOfroobs ... if you have been scammed, either /petition, or deal with the people directly ingame ...
in this case, Taconis, please contact Plugsz directly, or do a /tell chunkbot guestjoin and ask for an officier to talk about that.

/removes MOD hat


oh yeah ... WB *never* attacks unprovoked :
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Post by Agentcrt » Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:31 pm

Taconis wrote: Unfortunately, WB sees a lot of infiltration of these orgs by the sides. This is clearly obvious by the flat out attacks of neutral orgs against one side, which lately has been clan. Wolf Brigade does not condone or support such actions. Slow growth expansion and defending is one thing; flat out attacking one side is another. These recent attacks have caught the eye of the PvP/NW clan organizations. They, the clans, want to stop this, so they are becoming very aggressive against the neutrals? Why?
Wolf Brigade's Broken Shores (CoH) site was attacked simply because of two reasons.
I will not speak here as org representative but just my humble opinion about this topic which is more neutral (and should remain) than omni-harrased. As i see all pacts are with Clan orgs since they attack you and this was logical. But did you ever think why omnis come to help you?

The above quote to attack one side flat out is totally oriented on current situation where clanners attack and take our sideXP and if we want to get it back we need to take clan fields out since if we would take omni's field we could not expect any help on next clan attack. I presonally do not agree with this, but that is how status stand on NW. I dont think you are in towers enough to know who's really on field as Someone attacked something doesnt give you the whole idea how many players are there just covering attacker's asses. Indeed it has been a long time since I've seen WB member defending anything and after recent event when Union and EO (my org) both lost their 100+ towers because we were practically only one defending (if you exclude defiant and other "pvp" oriented orgs) against 20 clanners who were well buffed and not even omni help would be sufficient.

I do not think if you know but your post is making me not to come to defend your field although i know our sideXP will drop a lot if you lost it (well i'm 199 so I couldnt care less about sideXP anymore since i wont lvl anymore but just twink). And for simple reason: Because you are taking neutrality for third faction without considering to build a sufficient defensive force and buffing powers 24/7 which would cover WHOLE neutral tower's and not just the one you're supporting. I have been in many attacks and practically most of defenses with my twinks and I can tell you that even getting buffs for defense was a problem and mostly I went to defend selfbuffed. And if I got buffs you know who buffed? OMNI.

I do not however favor omni (if you ask me I like clan more) but because of such passive stance of most neutral orgs (when 1 or 2 twinks per org come help against 20 attackers) I think you cannot play on neutrality as third faction (although that's my goal in NW still). Again simple reason: we have 2 many RP people inside.

And last but not least as far as I'm concerned: I heard neuts cant use clan raid bots and that is main reason why higher players are anti-clan oriented and afraid of forming a third faction since they would loose omni support and raids. I am missing Tara raids (as froob and as neut).

The solution of even dreaming about forming a third solid faction is simple: create raidbots, warbots (and dont throw me neutvoice or TNTB in because this bots are practically dead) and most of all twinks for towers neuts want to hold. That would be base to drop omni support but then we can/should expect a lot more attacks on our fields (omnis are tactically much better organized than clans as far as i saw) which will need a lot more than 5 twinks to defend it.

Oh another add: getting politics into wars is bull**** unless you get us equal share of SIDEXP and get both sides to agree (which i dont think they are enough stupid they will). So stop RPing with pacts and create twinks to help neuts.

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Post by Agentcrt » Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:47 pm

ahahaha now i get your non-clan sided post... you lost your field. Whata f*** diplomat you are... now you're probably thinking to get it back from clanners and then rely on omni help? I dont wanna offend you in any way but this post really is a joke (Even bigger because it comes from president of somehow respected neut org). Lets put it this way then: I hope omnis are smart enough to:
-kick all WB members from all raid bots (beast, pande, whatever you have)
-attack ANY WB field to get them a lesson of true notrum wars

So then WB can start forming 3rd faction: neutral and I'll be more than happy to join such org and help with my twinks.

Dont think all you omnis got this message in his post but i'm just clearing it out so there wouldnt be any misunderstanding. And i totally support creating 3rd faction (as I wrote before: couldnt care less if our sidexp drops to 0)

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Post by Kurse » Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:08 am

Lostu wrote:I must apologize for NAers and Tocanis for not sorting this out in time.
Me fail, again :(.
You don't have to apologize.
You do not throw the glove. Your fresh president did.

Berael and you have never show disrespect here. We disagree on our view of Rk1 politics, that's all.

But now I wait Taconis's apolozies or at least explanation for throwing NA name in the mud like this.
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Post by WorldTrader » Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:04 am

I have much respect for Berael. As long as I remember she has always been a strong diplomat with a level head.

I've learned a few good lessons from her two years ago that has helped me be a better org leader and world level politician.
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Post by Maidamaru » Wed Aug 20, 2008 1:00 pm

Interesting topic!!

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