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ToTW service....

Post by IoNForce » Sat Jan 31, 2009 12:52 pm

Hello, im new at totw service so I need some help. I can solo everything but azzy and my "twink" really rocks. The main problem is that im too cheap. Its good for the players who get items from my services but i dont get enough money for the service i do. Here are my prices:

Barrow Strength- 75k
Exarch Robe - 100k
Guardian Tank Armor - 5 mil
Rockcrusher Gauntlets - 85k
Withered Flesh - 80k
Frost Scythe of the Legionnaire - 55k
Phase Blade - 30k (jedan)
Skull of Lamentation - 40k
Skull of Woe - 60k
Temporal Chalice - 75k
Touch of the Gripper - 60k
Notum Splice - 40k
Crumbling Funeral Urn - 45k
Dark Memories - 65k
Guardian Circuit Board - 150k
Memory Loop - 125k
Tattered book: Tree of Enlightenment (complete) - 300k
Tattered book: Ape Fist of Khalum (complete) - 300k
Nano Crystal (Lien's Crystalizer) - 100k


Could an experienced player please fix the prices so that i DO get enough money and that my prices are good for my costumers.

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Re: ToTW service....

Post by Tyranii » Sat Jan 31, 2009 2:56 pm

Barrow Strength - 150k
Withered Flesh - 150k
Exarch Robe - 150k
GTA - Lot of twinks do it on a per kill sort of basis or don't camp it at all. Up to you, really
Rockcrusher Gaunts - 150k
Frost Scythe - 200-250k
Phase Blade - 100k
Temporal Chalice - 200k
Touch of the Gripper - 200k
Notum Splice - 100k
Dark Memories - 200k
Memory Loop - 250k
GCB - 200k
ToE - 500k

I dunno, haven't looked at any twink offers for ToTW so not sure if these prices are too high/still low based on current services. Just in my mind some prices for items that seemed good. The Shoulder items, Scythe, Exarch, Touch, and DMs/GCB will probably be the most in demand items, so 65k for a DM would be a steal. Just prices off the top of my head that seemed fair
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Re: ToTW service....

Post by BigMx » Sat Jan 31, 2009 9:52 pm

I don't know exactly what prices you should have but what I would do is for certain things I base my price on a number of factors one of which is the overall price should be higher than an equal item you can get in normal ways.

For example, a normal NCU memory you can buy from the shop that gives 26 NCU (I believe that's QL90ish or so) will cost you 80k at least..but that price is based off my 500 CL so cost will be slighty more for lower level toons. Since DM's give the same NCU and Max Nano as well as it' s not as easy to just go buy it from the shop, I would charge far more than 75K for them. Same goes for all the other loot. However, some of the other stuff is more rare than others and therefore the price I would charge would be based on the difficulty in acquiring the item.

For example, the book of the immortal that drops off of azzy has a low drop rate and is rare. So I would charge about 100k per kill at the lowest or a flat 3m at the highest.

some items like barrow of strength and such drop far too often to charge more than 100k. One of the windcallers near reanimator has a high drop rate of that (if it's not 100%) and any average 45 - 60 player can kill him solo. Reanimator has withered flesh as a 100% drop rate also I believe and my level 48 doc could kill him without being twinked at all. So I wouldn't charge too much for things like that.

Just remember, the main cost of something should be what you feel your time is worth along with the difficulty in getting the items in question. Your giving a service and to make that service worth doing, you must make enough money at it unless you just like to be generous and cater to the low level (poor but usually lazy) players.

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Re: ToTW service....

Post by IoNForce » Sun Feb 01, 2009 5:59 am

Thanks.... :notworthy:

Now ill take the middle price and ill consider the drop rate and the power of the mob... Now i dont understand a thing, whats ToE?
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Re: ToTW service....

Post by twoshots » Sun Feb 01, 2009 6:38 am

Tattered book: Tree of Enlightenment (complete)

i.e. collecting all the six sections of the book.

Not sure I would offer that myself, given you can just have bad luck and spend days non-stop killing for the last piece which just won't drop for you. That could be a lot of time for 300k.
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Re: ToTW service....

Post by Accomplice » Sun Feb 01, 2009 6:52 am

Barrow Strength - 200k
Withered Flesh - 200k
Exarch Robe - 200k
GTA - 200k per kill, 2m on drop.
Rockcrusher Gaunts - 150k
Frost Scythe - 150-250k
Phase Blade - 100k
Temporal Chalice - 500k
Touch of the Gripper - 100-200k
Notum Splice - 100k
Dark Memories - 200k
Memory Loop - 500k
GCB - 200k
ToE - 100k per part, 300k for part 3/4 due to extra rareness
KV - 100k per kill, 2m on drop
nema eye - 200k per kill, 2m on drop
frozen tear - 200k per kill, 2m on drop

Then you may wanna make clear that the purifying rods are all yours if they drop.

The problem is not how easy you/others can kill mobs, the question is how easy/hard it is to escort the gimp customer to the target mobs.

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Re: ToTW service....

Post by Zirkonium » Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:49 am

I'm surprised by these amounts. Really, you'll be working for around an hour to do a run for the common twink items (4 special rings, 2 pads, exarch robe, notum ring x 1, gloves, 2 implants (notum splice and touch of), no GTA, no rare rings, no rare implants).

I wouldn't even think about it. Roll one high level nano and you'll probably make more money for a lot less effort.

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Re: ToTW service....

Post by Tarradax » Wed Feb 18, 2009 8:28 am

Zirkonium wrote:I'm surprised by these amounts. Really, you'll be working for around an hour to do a run for the common twink items (4 special rings, 2 pads, exarch robe, notum ring x 1, gloves, 2 implants (notum splice and touch of), no GTA, no rare rings, no rare implants).

I wouldn't even think about it. Roll one high level nano and you'll probably make more money for a lot less effort.
This is a very good point. ToTW service is a nice sideshow if you have a level 60 twink for whatever reason but it's not really a solid moneymaker most times.
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Re: ToTW service....

Post by Tyranii » Wed Feb 18, 2009 9:26 pm

Especially if you've got a high level Fixer. Blitzing 250s was such easy money. 3m for an imp that took me maybe 2mins max to get (including rolling, finding it, and getting there) since the loot tables are so small at 250. Rarely does it take much time to find a Refined Imp. Then if you know a TSer (or have an alt yourself) you can tip them a little and charge ridiculous prices for ability/treatment buffing sets. Sorry thread derailment
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Re: ToTW service....

Post by GDB2222 » Thu Feb 19, 2009 7:53 am

Accomplice wrote:Barrow Strength - 200k
Withered Flesh - 200k
Exarch Robe - 200k
GTA - 200k per kill, 2m on drop.
Rockcrusher Gaunts - 150k
Frost Scythe - 150-250k
Phase Blade - 100k
Temporal Chalice - 500k
Touch of the Gripper - 100-200k
Notum Splice - 100k
Dark Memories - 200k
Memory Loop - 500k
GCB - 200k
ToE - 100k per part, 300k for part 3/4 due to extra rareness
KV - 100k per kill, 2m on drop
nema eye - 200k per kill, 2m on drop
frozen tear - 200k per kill, 2m on drop

Then you may wanna make clear that the purifying rods are all yours if they drop.

The problem is not how easy you/others can kill mobs, the question is how easy/hard it is to escort the gimp customer to the target mobs.
I think this is about right price-wise, and I agree with the other points too. The OP's original prices are very low, and I'm not surprised he's dissatisfied.

The only point I would add is that there are two sorts of customers. The new players, who need a hand and don't have any money anyway - for them, do it free of charge. For the guys who are loaded and just being lazy, it really doesn't matter what you charge them.

Half of the stuff is just left to rot anyway, so a new player can pick up a gdb pretty easily for nothing. What he may need is someone to show him round the place.
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Post by MetalSlugIV » Tue Feb 24, 2009 6:54 pm

ToTW "services" tend to rub me the wrong way. I have similar feelings toward them Pangloss has toward pocket teams. They tend to detract from the experience and fun of the game. I've only been playing for a few months but I've taken 4 toons through ToTW (Lots of re-rolls and in the absence of twinks I enjoy ToTW).

A twink leading a team of low level toons for items unfairly competes with other players legitimately (as in a non-twinked team of normal power) trying to get items. I cannot count how many times some uber level 60 twink leading a group of 25's has killed a boss my friends and I where trying to kill. At best the twink teams will ignore me and my friends. At worse they would hurl insults as they gleefully prevent my team from getting items. This will turn away new players.

Not to generalize all people offering ToTW services are rude or mean about it. Rude or not the person delivering the service is still denying parts of the game to other players. The presence of a such a service creates a bleak situation for new players giving them few choices.

1. Pony up the dough. (Usually through purchasing credits via cred farmers. I know this happens because I have seen it)
2. Quit out and try again later (An option that builds frustration and leads to #3)
3. Give up on AO entirely because you simply can't compete.

My real life friends that I regularly team with where not able to get Dark Memories unless we played at odd hours of the day, in between peak times. Lucky for me I got into AO over my Christmas break and I have a doc and an MA to team with. Logging in at slow times is not an option if you have to rely on random pick up teams. There are no twinks online but there is generally no one to team with.

So if you are out there and you see someone obviously new try to help them along. Try and help teach them the game. Obviously don't just do things for them and hold their hand. Players that want to learn are players worth teaching. As far as making credits go. There are better ways of earning credits than a ToTW service.
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Re: ToTW service....

Post by flyingengi » Tue Feb 24, 2009 8:34 pm

I personally use my own toons to get totw items for my alts. Why? 1) I like having over powered items at 21...and you can't get in a team at 21 that can kill GoT and the Exarchs. 2) Most totw teams make me want to kill myself. W/o having the items from totw, it's hard to survive long enough to get those items w/o dying 2-3 times first. Sorry, I don't like trying to get my equip in a crash course area for new players.

In the end, it's easier for both me and new players for me to use my alts to get items. Easier for them because I won't end up calling them names ^^
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Post by MetalSlugIV » Tue Feb 24, 2009 9:23 pm

flyingengi wrote:I personally use my own toons to get totw items for my alts. Why? 1) I like having over powered items at 21...and you can't get in a team at 21 that can kill GoT and the Exarchs. 2) Most totw teams make me want to kill myself. W/o having the items from totw, it's hard to survive long enough to get those items w/o dying 2-3 times first. Sorry, I don't like trying to get my equip in a crash course area for new players.

In the end, it's easier for both me and new players for me to use my alts to get items. Easier for them because I won't end up calling them names ^^
My little soap box rant wasn't referring to people who use their own toons. I'm talking about people who accept credits for guiding people through ToTW and get the really good NODROP items for their "customers".

It is indeed hard to survive long without those items. I could have acquired those items sooner had it not been for twink teams.

As for being a crash course for new players. I think it is great that there is so much necessary NODROP gear in ToTW. For the most part it forces people to go there and learn. I had a lot of fun getting pick up teams and meeting cool people. One of my favorite game moments was when my friends and I ran into an exact copy of our own team. Our team was enfo, doc and MA. It was so random and cool when we merged teams and started some real a** kicking. We where even able to kill Lien. Only we where not jerks about it. Another team showed up and was polite to us. So we decided to take turns. It is really frustrating when you really need Dark Memories and a twink has been camping Lien for the past 2 hours. You finally see his team leave and then another twink team takes its place.
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Re: ToTW service....

Post by Accomplice » Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:58 am

I rarely do totw service, though I have a couple of twinked lvl60s.
But if I do it, it implies more than just "i keel u loot":
- Escort. As mentioned above. Guarantee the gimp's safety. Make sure that he won't die from normal mobs and player caused trains.
- Lootrights. Be 100% able to outdamage anyone else there, even if it's a full team of normal players, or single other twinks.
- Speed. Every lvl60 in QL100 imps and a QL80 weap can kill most stuff in totw. Just at times, they might be a bit slow doing that.

As you see, a professional twink can be worth the fee if the quality of his help is adequate :)
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Post by MetalSlugIV » Wed Feb 25, 2009 4:01 pm

Accomplice wrote:I rarely do totw service, though I have a couple of twinked lvl60s.
But if I do it, it implies more than just "i keel u loot":
- Escort. As mentioned above. Guarantee the gimp's safety. Make sure that he won't die from normal mobs and player caused trains.
- Lootrights. Be 100% able to outdamage anyone else there, even if it's a full team of normal players, or single other twinks.
- Speed. Every lvl60 in QL100 imps and a QL80 weap can kill most stuff in totw. Just at times, they might be a bit slow doing that.

As you see, a professional twink can be worth the fee if the quality of his help is adequate :)
My point is not about the "quality" of service.

Paying for game services of any type or quality (this includes paid pocket teams) creates a situation that is inherently biased against new/poor players. The rich and powerful get to have the fun while the little guy is left out in the cold.
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